Paul Carroll
Denise, we were talking the other day about the fundamental changes occurring in insurance, and you had quite a list. Could you start us off by walking us through some of those?
Denise Garth
The industry is changing a lot, and it's not just technology — it's everything. Risk is changing, customer demographics and expectations are changing, where people are living is changing.
One of the biggest things we're seeing is the growing protection gap. The cost of insurance has increased significantly due to climate and weather events, rising claims costs, and the legal challenges the industry faces. It is unsustainable for customers, forcing them to make difficult decisions such as not buying insurance, switching for a lower cost, increasing deductibles, and more. It is a tipping point of change.
We see a new era for insurance — one that's really built around intelligence to enable adaptability.
The way forward is going to require both an operating model and a technology foundation redesign and redefinition. We've been talking about transformation for the last 10 to 20 years, and in most cases, it was about ripping out the technology and putting in something new over the existing operating model. Now we must rethink the operating model: how we want and need to do business to remain relevant.
In today's world, products are evolving. You still need auto, but there are so many variations of it now — autonomous vehicles, people doing things with Uber and the gig economy. There's a whole different set of product types needed to support those, and that goes across all products, whether it's P&C or L&A&H.
We have to do business in a way that fits this future, not the past.
Our operating models have been crafted over decades around a myriad of constraints, business assumptions, and challenges from the past. They've evolved by layering in technologies, manual work, point solutions — and we now face what I call a "spaghetti infrastructure" that has created a really inefficient, unprofitable, and employee-constrained operation. It's added a level of complexity on top of an already complex business.
Instead of just replacing technology with the next modern core solution, we have to think about what it is we compete on. That's where technology really begins to come into play — not just cloud-native technology and robust core systems, but now AI, both in terms of technology infrastructure and business architecture that can redefine the operating model and business processes.
In a webinar I just did, I shared that 82% indicate they want to do something with AI, but very few are actually doing it, or they're doing it in a piecemeal way. AI needs to be more than just an add-on technology. It has to be embedded into and redefine how we do business, so you can constantly optimize what you're doing. That redefines the overall business value of cloud and AI-native core that the market begins to see and realize in business outcomes.
I predicted that by 2030, we could see a 20-point reduction in expense ratios — and it's starting to happen as you see publicly traded insurers talk about what they're doing with AI. That is going to completely change the competitive landscape.
Paul Carroll
For me, the big thing I see companies potentially missing — because I've seen them miss it in other waves of technology over the past several decades — is the need for the agility you mention.
Gen AI is going to allow the sort of breakthrough that Amazon produced in the first wave of the internet. It didn’t just do the old things better; Amazon reinvented retail. If insurers lock themselves into developing a better form of what they've done before, they're going to miss out on a lot of opportunities.
From a technology standpoint, how do you enable the agility that insurers need?
Manish Shah
Before diving into the solution, I want to make sure we also look at the broader, common theme underlying these problems. A lot of people blame the insurance industry for not having modern systems, for not knowing their customers, for not having the right products or pricing. But if you really dig deep, the biggest issue facing the insurance industry — the one causing all those other problems — is that it simply cannot keep up with how fast the world is changing. Insurance is out of phase.
Customer expectations are significantly different and changing almost daily. There’s a huge change in risks and in how those risk profiles are developing. And the technological advancements happening today are leaps and bounds faster than what insurance companies' general culture allows them to absorb.
They're not unaware of the problem. The issue is how fast they can adopt new technology, how fast they can change their culture and get to changes in products, better pricing, better distribution, and so forth..
Our view is that it's not just about using technology or solving a niche problem. It's about making your mission-critical systems nimbler and relying on a partner and ecosystem framework rather than a traditional command-and-control framework.
Not every innovation has to be built in-house from the ground up. The real value companies can leverage is to test the technological innovations that companies like ours bring to them in a meaningful way — roll them out to customers, learn from them, test them, understand user behavior, and refine them.
That's why our approach is not simply about selling technology or a core system. It's about having intelligence built into every workflow, every process, every customer interaction — so you can get meaningful feedback from customers that allows you to evolve faster than the rest.
It's not a technology discussion — it's a speed discussion. How fast can I validate my ideas? That, clearly, is the biggest impediment in the industry.
Most people are still grossly underestimating what AI can and will do to every single business. Insurance is not an exception. Regulations will shield you only for so long, but when it comes to customer service, operational efficiency, improved profitability, faster turnaround, claims resolution, and better underwriting — AI, and more importantly, agentic AI, is going to play a huge role in every single one of those areas.
Whether people embrace it or resist it, in the next 18 to 24 months, a hybrid workforce — built with humans and AI agents working together — is going to be common. We're literally talking about leveraging artificial intelligence not as a tool but as an entity that works alongside humans. And that means the human workforce is going to have a very different role. They won't be writing the first draft — they'll be validating it. That is a huge cultural shift.
If organizations don't start engaging with this thought process early and experimenting with it now, they'll eventually be pressured to do it in a hurry. And if you try to implement this in a rush, even if you can get the technology in place, you cannot simultaneously implement the cultural shift that needs to accompany it. Doing it sooner is critically important.
Denise Garth
We talk about the "capacity gap." The capacity to have the right type of people running the business inside an insurance company is under significant strain — particularly given that a large percentage of the workforce is expected to retire by 2030. Estimates put those losses at 40% to 50%. You're going to lose your underwriters, your claims adjusters, your billing professionals — people who know your legacy systems, let alone people who understand your products and your business.
That's exactly where the hybrid workforce comes into play. Not only can it help you do more with the resources you have, but it can also educate and train new people in a consistent way — creating real value, consistency, and quality for those coming in and trying to learn this business. It gives them the confidence to do the work and learn along the way. That's a major factor in all of this that a lot of insurers haven't fully faced up to yet.
Paul Carroll
Peter Drucker used to say that culture eats strategy for breakfast. And when you look at AI — or just the new technology environment, in general — if you approach it as a destination, something you're going to do once, you're going to fail.
It has to be a cultural shift, something you work on this week, next week, next month, and the month after that.
Denise Garth
It really comes down to leadership, because you're going to have to redefine the organization and people's roles — jobs are going to look very different.
Paul Carroll
How does software need to evolve to support a hybrid workforce of both humans and AI agents?
Manish Shah
Today’s software was designed to be used 100% by humans. And human users have a little bit different constraints than AI users. For example, humans can't process too much information at once. We need multipage forms in a user interface, relational databases, more structured data — things like that. AI agents don't have those same constraints. Software today must be designed for both people and AI agents to do the work they’re best suited for.
Toward the latter part of the year, we plan to release a brand-new user interface, suited for each type of user. Providing seamless handoffs between them is also a key part of that design consideration.
The current core system user design is simply not going to be adequate for where the world is moving. The industry has come a long way in the last 20 to 25 years in modernizing, but the fundamental pain points are still there — how long it takes to implement modern software, the cost, how long it takes to maintain it, the total cost of ownership.
Just like Claude has created a significant dent — in a lot of people's minds and in the markets — with the idea that "I can build the software," we think the same kind of shift is possible for enterprise implementation. Sure, that came with a lot more enthusiasm than realism at first, but I think it will get there.
Why can't AI implement our software? Why does an implementation take three years? Our goal is to build a Claude-like AI capability that interacts directly with business users and translates that into system configurations — allowing our customers to actually move forward.
Paul Carroll
Thanks, Denise and Manish.
About Denise Garth
![]() | Chief Strategy Officer at Majesco, Denise Garth drives thought leadership and innovation strategy for insurers worldwide. She’s a global voice on digital transformation, customer experience, and the future of intelligent insurance ecosystems, shaping how carriers modernize and reimagine their business models. |
About Manish Shah
![]() | President and Chief Product Officer at Majesco, Manish leads global product innovation across intelligent core systems, AI-powered platforms, and digital ecosystems. A visionary technologist, he’s known for helping insurers accelerate modernization while staying true to human-centric design and trust. |


